Real Answers from Real Pilots

C172 or Archer?

(CLINT WHITE) #1

I’ve only flown the C172 but I’ve only been in a bonanza for a low wing SE plane.

What are y’alls preferences between the C172 and archer for training. 6 on way half a dozen the other?

Thanks

(Jordan Lascomb) #2

For the most part, doesn’t make much difference. But I prefer the 172 if I have to choose, for 3 reasons:

  1. I find low-wing planes much easier to land. For this reason, I think a 172 trains a better landing technique. I equate it to going from 6 pack to glass for instrument - one way is an easy transition but the other is much more difficult.

  2. Spin recovery characteristics.

  3. The views are better!

#3

Clint,

You’ll get people on both sides. I’m a Piper guy. As Jordan said they’re far easier to land but I don’t see that as a negative. The fact you can carry a few extra knots and not float down the runway like a kite allows you to get more proficient at handling crosswinds which is often many new (and old) pilot’s biggest challenge. On a far less important level I simply prefer the appearance of the Pipers. Skyhawks look like trainers, Archers don’t. Regardless they’re both fine airplanes.

As for the view it may be better looking down but I like looking up :wink:

Adam

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#4

Clint,

I have flown both the Archer and a 172, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. I for one am a Piper fan and thus lean towards the Archer. I like the low wing and the layout of the cockpit. That being said, either will do the job perfectly fine, I would not make any training choices based off of one or the other.

Chris

(Sergey Kireyev) #5

Cessna 172 Heavy gets my vote…

(Tory) #6

I’m probably bias because I have more time in the 172.

Tory

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(Tom Tolento) #7

I really enjoyed the archer during my home airport transition flights prior to starting ATP but im a fat kid so my vote is 172 mainly for a 2nd door! Can I get an AMEN! :joy::rofl::joy:

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(Michael Taft) #8

All my private and Instrument was in the 172. While the Skyhawk is a mainstay I’m looking forward to the Archer. The design of the cockpit and the low wings makes it appeal more of a trainer for the airlines. Unless of course you start flying Dash-8s.

(Sergey Kireyev) #9

Ooof… too soon, man! Too soon… :joy:

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(Dorian) #10

I hate hi jacking discussions, but why is a low-wing easier to land?

I intend to train in a C172 because 1) I LOVE looking down, and 2) that lift strut provides a lot of peace of mind :wink:

I never knew they were more difficult to land though.

#11

Dorian,

I do not remember the 172 being any more difficult to land. I seem to remember that a high wing aircraft floats down the runway more in a landing flare, but this can be adjusted for. I think what we really have here is a bunch of airline pilots that are used to flying low wing airplanes :slight_smile:
Chris

#12

Dorian,

Low-wing creates more ground effect (aka a nice cushion). Because of that they can also be landed “flatter” which means you can kind of fly it onto the runway hence less of a transition.

This debate has been going on for decades and everyone has their preference. Both are exceptional training aircraft.

I’m more concerned that you need a strut to give you peace of mind.

Adam

(Dorian) #13

Ever since that wing broke off at ERAU last year (and after having help build four Super Cubs), I have a better appreciation of a lift strut on GA aircraft. I’ll still fly a low-wing. I was up in a Cherokee a few months ago. My preference though is a high-wing.

(Don) #14

Our location has Pipers. But I prefer the 172. Mainly the two doors and big door windows that open.

(CLINT WHITE) #15

I finished my last step in the process by doing the intro flight(already have the loan and 1st class which is probably backwards lol). I took the discovery flight at the Conroe location just north of Houston, TX. I was excited to see that the location. has the majority of new Archers. I did most of my flight instruction in a 172 with steam gauges. The new Archers along with the cockpit layout and G1000 I can see I’ll get spoiled quick!

Now I can see why many like the Archer.
I will be placing the deposit for the June start date this week and will definitely knock out 3-4 writtens

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#16

Clint,

Sounds like a good plan to me. Thank you for keeping us up to date.

Chris

(Jasson) #17

quick question. if I go to ATP, can I choose the Airplane I want to fly (cessna, piper)?

#18

Jason,

You can chose which location you attend, which will determine which aircraft you fly. Contact the admissions department to see which locations have which aircraft.

Chris

(Tristan West) #19

Generally, if you’re located from Denver to west of the Rockies, you’ll be flying the 172. East of the Rockies and it’s the Archer. There are some exceptions though - I know Florida has both depending on the airport.

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